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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: rev counter on a diesel..... Reply with quote

might be a silly one this to those with more engineering knowhow (about 95% of you!)

any ideas where i put the sender to my rev counter on a 1.9td pug/citroen engine?

I've tried putting it on several sensors and have comup with bob-all.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my Escort TD it comes off the alternator ! apparently



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: rev pickup Reply with quote

i think on the peugeot it fits at the back of the engineat the top facing a groove in the reaf of the flywheel . some peugeots picked a pulse from the loom in the dash after a stabilizer.... go for ford diesel, far easier, a proper good diesel. good luck ..nobby
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the Peugeot engine it comes off the Alternator too.

Oh and OY nowt wrong with the Peugeot XUD engine. the version that's in mine at the moment has done 400,000 miles.

Though the Citroen ZX volcane TurboD which is sitting in my workshop at the moment ready to be dismantled is soon going to change all that.

We had a 130Bhp at the fly wheel on my friends old ZX, this old bus of mine is gonna fly!!!!!

Better than the Ford diesel with its 2 cambelts, waterpumps which rip the cambelt off and cast iron block and cast iron head!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dissin the Ford Grin

I have to agree pug engines are tops I have a Pug 206 Hdi and a Golf GT TDi 150 as my daily runners at the mo and I have to say the pug engine is far far smoother and doesn't smoke like the golf engine... however the golf is immensly faster.

I was always under the impression the Ford Diesel Engine was something to do with Peugoet ! anyone confirm or deny this ?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think the old ones like ours is any thing to do with Pugeot. But the new ford/pug/citroen diesels are all made by ford now I think.

The pug and Citroen diesels have always had a good reputation, I think the old ford diesels have the reputation of just being basic. So I guess ford needed to flip the switch a bit!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi I'd agree about the differences between the Peugeot and VAG group engines.

Every VAG diesel I see on the road smokes like a trooper, becasue its old technology pushed to the edge, the new Peugeot/Ford engines are far smoother and nicer engines

My friend has a 2.0lt HDI Citroen its a sweet sweet runner.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: rev counter on a diesel..... Reply with quote

illzlee wrote:
might be a silly one this to those with more engineering knowhow (about 95% of you!)

any ideas where i put the sender to my rev counter on a 1.9td pug/citroen engine?

I've tried putting it on several sensors and have comup with bob-all. :smt016


jp wrote:
On my Escort TD it comes off the alternator ! apparently


:smt101


If your alternator has a W-terminal (Bosch alternator) or equivalent, then that is the one to use with an appropriate rev counter.



W-terminal creation on a VW Type 4 engine's Bosch alternator

Some rev counters (i.e. tachometers) are incompatible with some electronic ignition systems, of which I was was warned in relation to my Microdynamics Formula 1, FCD electronic ignition system, with integral smooth-cut, adjustable rev limiter, which I retro-fitted in 1989, to my 1973 VW "1600" Type 2.

Hence, it seemed prudent to use the type of rev counter, intended for diesel-engined cars, which derives its signal from the alternator, requiring the creation of a W-terminal, from which to sense one of the alternator's AC phases.

Note the blue-coloured solder joint, to which I connected a light-duty, insulated wire, with glass fibre, heat-resistant sleeving, which also connects to a home-made, -inch blade terminal, set into the alternator carcass, using epoxy resin and small offcuts of blue-coloured, glass-fibre printed circuit-board material.

The two red-coloured solder joints, are alternative sites, to which I could have connected an insulated wire, to create a W-terminal facility.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resurrection of an old un!

JP, I think this is maybeeeeee in the wrong forum
4 years old and no one noticed *coffee splurt over monitor icon required*

Happy daze Wink

Dan, how did you sort it bud?

Thanks to Naskeet for his answer though Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Rev counters for diesel engines Reply with quote

ElusiveStranger wrote:
Resurrection of an old un!

JP, I think this is maybeeeeee in the wrong forum
4 years old and no one noticed *coffee splurt over monitor icon required*

Happy daze ;)

Dan, how did you sort it bud?

Thanks to Naskeet for his answer though :)


Who has time to look at posting dates!?! Besides which, no-one had offered any significant answers!

Here is some more potentially useful information, albeit possibly too late for the original enquirer. ;)

VDO Cockpit alternator-sensed tachometer installation instructions



According to the following book, the alternator terminal for tachometer (i.e. engine rev counter) connection, is labelled as either AC (Motorola), AC Tap (Prestolite), R (Silver Bullet), X (Niehoff) and W (Bosch, Ingram, Paris-Rhone & Valeo). No terminal labels were quoted in the book, for alternators branded as AC Delco, CAV, Lucas, Mitsubishi, Nippon Denso or SEV Marchal.

Alastair Garrod, "Electrics Afloat: A complete practical step by step guide for boat owners", Adlard Coles Nautical (in association with Practical Boat Owner magazine), 2002, ISBN 0-7135-6149-6.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info Naskeet.

I wasn't taking the pee. If it came across that way, I apologise. Nice to have contributions fella. Much appreciated Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



Grin

is naskeet's diagram above suitable for any VDO tachometer or is there a special one that will work off the "W" terminal on a diesel alternator. I have a fairly standard petrol-engine VDO tacho out of a Porsche 924 in my van and it was run off the petrol engine. Is it as simple as plugging in a wire from the W alt terminal to the signal input terminal on the rev counter?
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